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Post by ghostdiva on Dec 30, 2005 23:39:42 GMT -4
But Peter's always been very envolved in E/J relationship. It would kinda be OOC for him to stay out of it and drift into distant bystander mode. I'm hoping this comes through in "Forever" in the for of some heart felt, teary-eyed speech. Even in 88mph's version Venkman was involved, he's just that type of guy I think, especially considering that he truely loves both of them (platonically). He just wants his friends to be happy, he's one of those guys who puts others happiness up above where most people would put such a matter, sometimes to the point where he sacrifices his own happiness to give others there's. this is shown more times than I could list, especially with his dad, sweet old ladies, kids, and anyone who needs a buddy on there side of the fence. (Wow, I had no idea all of that was stored in my head ghostdiva
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Post by EGBFan on Dec 31, 2005 12:03:06 GMT -4
Well, I'm sorry - really, I am, I don't want to cause arguments - but there's being a supportive friend, and then there's sticking your nose in. How true that many, many people don't know where to draw the line. Thing is, if my friends try to interfere in my relationships, I get really shirty with them. Advice and support is great, if that's what you want, but you do get to a point where it's none of their ******* business. For this reason I really would rather Peter more or less didn't touch it from now on. Is it a bit Mary-Sue-ish, saying that? Am I forcing my opinions onto Peter? Ah well - I don't care. There really is nothing he can do about it now - it's down to Egon and Janine. As I think I've probably said, at one time or another, relationships don't break from the outside.
Ok, the rescuing business... I'm going to the Kylie and Eduardo thread for that...
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Post by Miss Janine on Dec 31, 2005 15:42:00 GMT -4
I guess I saw Peter as both helping and hurting Egon and Janine's relationship. Yes, he always tried to get them together- but then sabotaged it by his teasing Egon about it, something Egon has said was one of the reasons he DIDN'T get serious with Janine. But I do have to agree with you on one thing- it IS up to them now to make it work, which we know it will. They made it to the altar, Peter, so chill! ;D
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Post by ghostdiva on Dec 31, 2005 18:51:32 GMT -4
Now don't get me wrong, I agree that Egon and Janine need to run their marriage by themselves, I was just stating the way things were up until 1991, after that things changed, they lost touch for six years, I mean I wouldn't feel as comfortably lending advice to a friend after not seeing him for six years. And they've all grown too, which makes a difference. Their marriage should be about them. It's like EGB Fan said somewhere that Egon and Janine have communication problems and the only way they'll solve them is to talk to each other and avoid the middle man.
Peter probably did do some things that might have hurt them but friends are messy business like that. It just makes the whole thing more believable. ghostdiva
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Post by Kingpin on Dec 31, 2005 19:48:22 GMT -4
That, and nobody in this world will have a friend quite like Egon... in some ways Peter's involvement helped Egon to get the forward motion he needed... some of the encouragement he needed... but I doubt Peter will need to 'poke his nose in'.
Anyway, gonna go ring in the New Year.
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Post by Miss Janine on Dec 31, 2005 22:56:17 GMT -4
When you've got two men who are like brothers, in all but blood, you're gonna get stuff like that. Considering Egon and Peter's personalities, and their lengthy relationship, it couldn't have gone any other way. But Kingpin nailed it.
This is a testament to just how well Fritz nailed the characters that we're even having this discussion.
Happy New Year, everybody!
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Post by Dr. Vincent Belmont on Jan 2, 2006 15:58:35 GMT -4
Vincent's my buddy, so I wanted to make sure he didn't feel like I was cutting him out of the story. I was actually a little worried that he'd be mad at me for taking him out of it after the first round. No, Fritz... What makes me mad is that you think that way about me. Why would I be mad if I was written out of YOUR piece? Sure...it's in the timeline that Vincent was a part of the group in this year, but with Vincent being laden with "other" business...it would have been an easy fix to make me "somewhere else" during the story. No, I would NOT have been mad. What makes me mad is that even my friends think I'm a raging egotist. I don't recall ASKING to be in this story...it appeared in my mailbox one day, and I read it. My first reaction was "I'm in this? Neat."Now, however, it is not so "neat." Hearts in Eclipse is going to hurt when read. You want more response to "Where in the World is Chelsea Aberdeen?" Replace Vincent with Ray or Peter or something. ...and No, Ghostdivia, you are not sorry. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been a gripe. I was there to take care of the barrier and some illusions created by Tully...you might recall Vincent getting winded and having to admit "having to sit this one out." As was said to Kylie Griffin at the end of the story: "I apologize if the mere thought of me is so vile."
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Post by Fritz on Jan 2, 2006 16:33:23 GMT -4
Yike, what in the world?
I apologize if any of my intent was misconstrued--being hurtful wasn't my intent...
Vincent, I used you in this story because, yeah, I wanted to help establish you. I had some ideas for dealing with some of the dangling issues of "Zodiac Imperative" And dammit, I like you.
That being said, it was really a story about dealing with other leftover issues, and none of them involved you.
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Oh f**k this all. I've been thinking of walking away from this whole gig for a while now. Aside from this story, it seems like no matter how much work I put into it, I get like three responses and one of them is, it's totality, "that was good keep it up"
My life has become a living hell for the last two years, and there were some days where this was my only mechanism for not sinking into utter despair. Then there were other days where it just seemed like part of the problem.
For those that have supported me, thanks.
For those that haven't...well, congrats, you get what you wanted. Have a nice life.
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Post by Dr. Vincent Belmont on Jan 2, 2006 16:50:08 GMT -4
Yike, what in the world? I apologize if any of my intent was misconstrued--being hurtful wasn't my intent... Oh f**k this all. Fritz, I get emails from all of you guys about fanfiction and why it seems to have died. I start looking around, and find out on all of the boards I frequent little, from even people who seem to kiss my ass on a regular basis, that they think I'm some egotistic ass who "wants to be in the public eye." I decided to peruse the Ectozone board to see what's up, and literally the first two posts I end up reading are Anti-Vincent sentiments. When I read that bit about "I was worried Vincent would be mad at me for not spotlighting him," it hurt. I thought "If Fritz sees me that way, then it MUST be true." Fritz, You're one of my best friends, internet-wise, and I've always made whatever changes to my stuff because I like YOUR work. I felt terrible when you had lost your leg, and sent you that care package...I know what real-life strife can be like, so I couldn't help but empathize. You're still my friend, Fritz. Until you came out and professed your hatred for me, I'm pretty sure nothing is going to break that. I'm flattered every time you want to include me in your stuff, and I always have my fears, as well... ...over situations like these. It seems lately that every time Vincent does something remotely interesting, everyone calls "foul." Fritz, if I'm seeing this whole situation the wrong way, PLEASE prove me wrong. It would give me great relief to actually be proven wrong. I haven't been seeing things the same way since a certain Containment Unit thread... Don't quit your hobby on my account.
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Post by Miss Janine on Jan 2, 2006 17:07:37 GMT -4
For whatever my two cents are worth...
I myself LIKED the fact that Vincent was there. He could deal with the stuff the others couldn't, and I do NOT think he overshadowed things at all. It was actually cool to see a new face fighting alongside the OGBs and EGBs, one that had a valid, non-MS reason for being there.
I don't want to see anybody leave, or anything, over this. I love this place, and the people here, and would like it to stay the civil place it's always been. Not that it isn't civil now, buit I do NOT want this to turn into the sh*t that happened over at GBHQ with the CU. Pardon my French, but I'm really upset over this, and wanted to get my feelings out.
Now I need a good cry...
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Post by Dr. Vincent Belmont on Jan 2, 2006 17:14:15 GMT -4
For that, Miss Janine, you have my thanks.
I think the issue at hand might be more of "The fanfiction community is falling apart, and we're about to lose one of our best."
Think about it, Fritz, you're at least half of the glue holding the fanfic world together.
Think of it this way, man, if I left, four or five people would give a sh*t...if you left, so would everyone else.
You're not giving up on anything even if I have to find out exactly where you live, drive down to Indy, and carry you around myself.
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Post by SuperStantzio on Jan 2, 2006 17:26:06 GMT -4
Yes I have to agree with this. You write very good fanfics and please don't leave I'll be really sad if you do. Your stories are neat and keep up the good work.
Farah
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Post by Silent Seraphim on Jan 2, 2006 17:30:26 GMT -4
I don't want to see anybody leave, or anything, over this. I'd like to echo this statement wholeheartedly. Vincent, it's a shame that the first two posts which you saw were 'Anti-Vincent' posts, because there is so much more to this board than that. The opinions of the two posters you quoted aren't necessarily shared by all of us. Fritz, you are the man. If you leave, I'll start attacking things with sharp objects.
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Post by Miss Janine on Jan 2, 2006 17:35:11 GMT -4
And Indy's not THAT far from Baltimore...
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Post by Fritz on Jan 2, 2006 17:45:26 GMT -4
Vincent:
Again, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you took offense at anything I said--that was the furthest thing from my mind.
Cliff's post I somehow missed--even as dead as this place is, it happens. Again, I apologize for that.
I honestly was a little blindsided by this, and maybe it just added to all the frustrations..both because of the sad state of our community and things going on in Real Life.
I didn't set out to hurt anybody. I didn't set out to offend anybody.
I just set out to share my affection for one of the absolute best sets of characters I've ever seen...as I say on my fan fic page, I even prefer them to many of my own creations.
I set out to share my affection for two of those characters in particular. Other than one obsessive person with lots of issues, I didn't think that would offense anyone either.
But after a while feeling like you're shouting in the wilderness beats you down, especially when somehow, without even realizing (and certainly not intending it) I've hurt one of the people I see as my ally in this increasingly futile endeavor.
Should I have done the story differently? I don't know...if I'd thought it would be such a bone of contention yeah, I would've thrown in a note or two of "well, Belmont's off at some Hermetic tribunal" or something and left it at that.
I thank you all for your kind words. You're a great bunch of people.
I don't know what's going to happen now. I do think I'm going to get away from this computer for awhile, at least a day or two, because I've always said that when the internet is upsetting you, it's time to get away from the internet.
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