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Post by Miss Janine on May 23, 2005 7:24:28 GMT -4
That last "explosion" made me feel really sorry for her. I pm'd Fritz with my feelings on that. Let's just say it might keep me away from GBHQ for a while, just so I'm not tempted to post something that might lead to trouble. I'm not a mean person, mind you, but I think it's starting to get a bit personal.
And, Kingpin, I'm curious what you meant. PM me if you want. It might shed some light on things.
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Post by Fritz on May 24, 2005 19:57:18 GMT -4
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Post by Miss Janine on May 24, 2005 20:31:27 GMT -4
Yeah. I've been following this little saga (even attempting to be a voice of reason; see my recent posts in that thread.), and it's getting really interesting (like it wasn't already. Especially the little dig she made on Zodiac Imperitive. I, for one, saw those scenes as slightly racy but nice. ;D
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Post by Silent Seraphim on May 24, 2005 21:25:12 GMT -4
Especially the little dig she made on Zodiac Imperitive. I, for one, saw those scenes as slightly racy but nice. ;D I must admit; I was the one who brought that up, partly because of the roasting she and her friend gave Fritz about it at the time (and they did give him a roasting, no matter what she says), but also because I knew she’d mention that scene. Knowing what I know now, I really can’t believe that she can still place that scene in NC-17 territory, when she knows exactly what kind of stories constitute an NC-17 fic. The E/J love scene in the Zodiac Imperative was mainly implied, and there was absolutely nothing graphically stated at all, yet she reacts to it as though it is near-pornographic. Coming from her, that really seems kind of rich. Personally, I love Bo’s more recent input on the matter. I think he absolutely nailed it.
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Post by Kingpin on May 25, 2005 5:47:36 GMT -4
MJ: Which part are you curious about? The sexuality comment I made? It's because a year or two ago she actually asked me if I was gay simply because of my support of E/J...she has this odd idea that people get their rocks off on E/J being together. It really has gotten to the point of being retarded, she, and a cohort flamed Fritz for a mostly implied scene (Not to mention his first submission to Ghostbusters.nuts), and she just flouts this persecution complex, we only mention our thoughts because she provokes us and even though she isn't the only person who doesn't take the Egon/Janine angle (I've never said it can't be done, but her execution of it is extremely flawed) but she is the most vocal of them, I am yet to hear any major complaint from anyone else about supposed 'persecution'. Oy...Overall though, she's dragged it out long enough and godammit, she keeps trying to prevoke us. However, i want to know, straight from the horse's mouth just what her definition of 'incompatible' is, she dogged the question and I don't think she has ever explained it.
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Post by TheRazorsEdge on May 25, 2005 6:42:45 GMT -4
I dunno what drove me to participate in the first place, but it must've been building up without me realizing it, because after I posted all that stuff, I felt pretty good..
Normally, I don't feel the need to talk about E&J at all. It seems like something that doesn't NEED to be discussed. The sky is blue, the grass is green, and Egon and Janine are love interests. So I pretty much ignore the argument because in my mind, it's completely irrelevant.
I guess I'm just sick of seeing her take all of her own emotional baggage and thrust it in our faces.
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Post by Silent Seraphim on May 25, 2005 13:41:13 GMT -4
MJ: Which part are you curious about? The sexuality comment I made? It's because a year or two ago she actually asked me if I was gay simply because of my support of E/J...she has this odd idea that people get their rocks off on E/J being together. Now, that really doesn’t make ANY sense, AT ALL!! In fact, that makes me kind of angry, because I support E/J as a couple - so what, in her eyes, does that make me?! Seeing as Jen Spengler has already alluded to it on the thread on GBHQ, I think I can say that I think Miss Janine wants to know about her ‘other stories’; you know, the NC-17 rated stuff she has written on adultfanfiction.net. I think it’s quite hypocritical of her to slate the E/J scenes in one of Fritz’s stories, accusing them of being near NC-17 territory when she has written such explicit and graphic material herself. Granted, her stories don’t involve Egon Spengler, but she knows exactly what kind of material makes up an NC-17 rated story, and the E/J scenes in the Zodiac Imperative don’t come anywhere near it. However, i want to know, straight from the horse's mouth just what her definition of 'incompatible' is, she dogged the question and I don't think she has ever explained it. From what she’s suggested in the past, I think she means that the only person who Egon would want to date is someone who is like him in most ways – education, background, etc. She doesn’t think Janine is compatible with him because Janine isn’t as intelligent as Egon is, and doesn’t come from the same background. I think that opinion comes from her own experience in dating. I might be wrong, but I think that’s what her definition is. I guess I'm just sick of seeing her take all of her own emotional baggage and thrust it in our faces. I tend to agree with this. I mean, there are other Egon fans out there, and none of them react as vociferously as she does. The vast majority already know her opinion on the matter of Egon/Janine (I think even the guys behind the 88mph comic know about her opinion), but again and again she shoves it down our throats with such anger and hostility that it’s extremely difficult not to react to it.
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Post by Miss Janine on May 25, 2005 15:25:42 GMT -4
MJ: Which part are you curious about? The sexuality comment I made? It's because a year or two ago she actually asked me if I was gay simply because of my support of E/J...she has this odd idea that people get their rocks off on E/J being together. It really has gotten to the point of being retarded, she, and a cohort flamed Fritz for a mostly implied scene (Not to mention his first submission to Ghostbusters.nuts), and she just flouts this persecution complex, we only mention our thoughts because she provokes us and even though she isn't the only person who doesn't take the Egon/Janine angle (I've never said it can't be done, but her execution of it is extremely flawed) but she is the most vocal of them, I am yet to hear any major complaint from anyone else about supposed 'persecution'. Oy...Overall though, she's dragged it out long enough and godammit, she keeps trying to prevoke us. However, i want to know, straight from the horse's mouth just what her definition of 'incompatible' is, she dogged the question and I don't think she has ever explained it. It was about the "weapon" (for lack of a better term) that I assumed would/could be used if she didn't chill out. Fritz pm'd me with the story. What a soap opera... Besides, I TEXTenjoyed TEXT that scene (but not TEXTthat TEXT way). Egon and Janine are adults, and adults do that. They enjoyed themselves (until they were interrupted), and I can't understand why anybody would get upset about it.
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Post by Silent Seraphim on May 25, 2005 16:38:57 GMT -4
It seems the thread's gone bye-bye.
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Post by Kingpin on May 25, 2005 18:49:21 GMT -4
Well, the sexuality thing is quite old, and I might be misremembering it, I'm not even sure if I bothered to keep the messages, there might be one or two left hiding in the dark corners of GBC. As for 88MPH, they do. She told me that she had emailed them with her 'suggestions' on character, which may have very well translated as 'Janine and Egon should not be dating'. Although, that's a jump to conclusions, despite the obvious evidence. However, I have it on good authority that her 'suggestions' were given little time from the guys producing the comic. I seriously believe that whatever oddities have occured to her romantically in the past have pretty much skewed her view on things... Sigh...
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Post by Fritz on May 25, 2005 20:44:05 GMT -4
I think this is running pretty close to what I was afraid of earlier--the defacto "Let's Dump On EgonsBabe" thread. We're skating awful close to it...if we haven't crossed that line already.
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Post by Kingpin on May 26, 2005 4:56:08 GMT -4
Yeah...you're right...
Oy...
If it's not getting insulted by her it's obsessing about her actions...
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Post by EGBFan on May 27, 2005 7:44:02 GMT -4
I'm really not trying to be difficult...
I got the impression that the objections about "The Zodiac Imperative" objected to their being any kind of sex at all, rather than the characters involved, with no warning. (I mean, like, I thought it was mega tame, but everything's subjective.)
Well, hey, maybe I'm wrong. It sounds like I've missed some things.
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Post by Miss Janine on May 27, 2005 8:59:00 GMT -4
All things considered, I thought it was because of WHO the couple was, not anything they did.
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Post by Fritz on May 27, 2005 11:19:58 GMT -4
Let me just put it this way:
How often does she complain about all the romance between Peter and Dana dominating the movies?
How often did she complailn about Dana's strapless dress in the GBLegion mini-series vs. Janine undoing two buttons on her rather conservative blouse?
How often does she complain about Venkman tomcatting around in the cartoon series?
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