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Post by Fritz on Jun 21, 2004 11:35:35 GMT -4
Here's another topic I got a kick out of back in the GB Central days... Which character or characters suck most? I admit...I've changed my mind since I answered "Professor Dweeb" on that old poll. Mostly because I've actually found a place in my stories for a somewhat revamped Dweeb ( check out Future Shocks as an example) I removed the most irritating things about him: he no longer chases Slimer, he doesn't look nearly as much like a Gary Larson caricature, and even defined "Professor Dweeb" as a nickname (his "real" name, in a nod to the 88MPH comics, is Norman Draverhaven) But the Junior Ghostbusters still suck complete ass. They were shoehorned in due to that assinine "kid character" syndrome prevalent in American cartoons ("Duh, we think the kids in the audience need someone to identify with...") Donald was a vaguely Latino wisecracker. Jason was a nerd with a red flattop. Catharine was the girl---and that was the extent of her character!!! I've learned to never say never, but right now I couldn't think of any use for them other than the one the great JMS thought up: speed bumps for a very large truck.
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Post by Stantz on Jun 21, 2004 17:26:50 GMT -4
Its got to be the Junior Ghostbusters, my friend, they have got to be the crappest thing i have seen eva,
i hate them the first time i saw them, an stll do to this day.
the wise ass the made them needs a boot in the crotch
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Post by SuperStantzio on Jun 22, 2004 14:59:02 GMT -4
I voted for the Flimantion's Ghostbusters Really I cannot stand them at all. I watched that old cartoon a couple times and it really sucked.
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Post by TheRazorsEdge on Jun 23, 2004 10:07:24 GMT -4
Junior GBs, hands down. Everybody else on the list is/has done something redeemable...except maybe the Filmation Ghostbusters, which I don't actually remember, though I know I saw at least one episode when I was a kid.
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Post by Fritz on Jun 24, 2004 11:11:06 GMT -4
Junior GBs, hands down. Everybody else on the list is/has done something redeemable...except maybe the Filmation Ghostbusters, which I don't actually remember, though I know I saw at least one episode when I was a kid. To be sure, our teammate Peter Kong would disagree with this, but they were pretty forgettable. They actually got their start in 1975, with a live-action show produced by Filmation called "Ghost Busters" starring Larry Storch and Forrest Tucker of "F-Troop", and Bob Burns in what I've heard described as "a really really bad ape costume" This caused trouble for Columbia Pictures nine years later when they wanted to release a movie with a similar name. A deal was reached, obviously, but as part of the deal Filmation got to keep the rights to produce an animated series under the Ghostbusters name--which is why the show all of us know and love, the one based off the movie, had to be titled "The Real Ghostbusters" The Filmation cartoon starred the sons of Storch and Tucker's characters. Jake Kong Jr. (voice by Pat Fraley) was the stalwart leader. Eddie Spencer Jr. (voice by Peter "Optimus Prime" Cullen) was a fat fraidy cat. They always fought the same villain, Prime Evil, a sort of robot ghost (yeah..wrap your mind around that...and not intentionally surreal like the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past either ) and his gang of goons. They blasted them with their dematerializers and sent them back to their ghost dimension, then there was a wrap-up with the Arbitrary Moral of The Day. Basically, it was formulaic and crudely animated. It was very much in the mold of the original He-Man cartoon (and I found the old He-Man awful, myself). Hell, they even had Alan Oppenheimer, the voice of the original Skeletor, doing Prime Evil. The main difference is that since it was up against the Real Ghostbusters, and didn't have a kickass toy line like He-Man did, it's pretty much faded to obscurity.
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Post by Jeremy Hicks on Jun 26, 2004 15:31:09 GMT -4
Fritz, I've seen pics of the original live action show. Imagine a costume with a plastic looking face, and a very cheaply made body that would make the person wearing it want to feed it to a pack of hungry lions and then puke. And about the only thing I could think of that could make the Jr. Ghostbusters redeem themselves is to get killed in an apocaliptic situation saving at least one of the Ghostbusters.
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Post by Kingpin on Aug 22, 2004 20:07:49 GMT -4
The Junior Ghostbusters.
I mean, really? Logic and Reason took a holiday when they entered the room, those little brats taking the Packs to the guys in the Boogieman's realm? THey going and trying to break into Samhaine's Fortress against the explicit advise of the four people and one woman who know what they're doing? And they're great friends with Slimer? How asine were they?!
But I digress, such is the case that I have decided to do the only honorable thing with the Junior Ghostbusters, eradicate them.
In a new series I am working on known as Real Ghostbusters: Apocrypha, I will be reworking some of the potentially great but marred episodes to reduce and hopefully, eradicate most of the retarded ideas that we, the fans, were subjected to in RGB's later days, that includes:
Dave Coulier's Venkman.
Legible Slimer.
Junior Ghostbusters.
Cheerleader Janine.
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Post by EGBFan on Jan 11, 2005 9:16:35 GMT -4
Here's another poll I didn't notice before. What is it with me and this forum? I'm abstaining. Who voted for EGB? Just curious, honestly. I think this poll would have more... ummm... credibility (is that the word I want? - I dunno) if the movies and RGB were on the list. No GB fans think they suck, obviously, but you just really ought to have a complete list with these things. No one would vote for them and it'd be fine, honestly. I just seems kinda arrogant (or something, I dunno, my vocabulary seems to have depleted over the course of the morning) to obliterate the option. So no one agrees with me, I don't care. I (nearly) always say what I think whether anyone wants to hear it or not.
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Post by Miss Janine on Apr 9, 2005 17:02:47 GMT -4
I voted for the JGB. Dweeb and the Filmation crew are something I just ignore, EGB brought us the guys again, and Louis is just a jerk. JMS was right- great speed bumps!
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Post by Captain Nate on Apr 10, 2005 20:35:31 GMT -4
... most of the retarded ideas that we, the fans, were subjected to in RGB's later days, that includes: Dave Coulier's Venkman. Is Coulier's Venkman really that hated? I mean, watching as a kid I never had a problem with the different Venkmans. I think Coulier brought some good stuff to Venkman's character. I think the more Slimer-centric stories of later seasons wasa much worse thing to suffer than Coulier's voice acting.
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Post by Fritz on Apr 11, 2005 20:34:49 GMT -4
Is Coulier's Venkman really that hated? I mean, watching as a kid I never had a problem with the different Venkmans. I think Coulier brought some good stuff to Venkman's character. I think the more Slimer-centric stories of later seasons wasa much worse thing to suffer than Coulier's voice acting. I will say this in defense of Dave Coulier: he seems like a very nice guy, and can be very funny. I didn't care for "Full House" but I've seen other things he's done that he did pretty good at. And I will also say this: a lot of the problems with his tenure as Venkman were not his fault. He had the double misfortune of coming in when the writers were ordered to dumb down the show and concentrate on Slimer more (thus the Music Venkman's antagonistic relationship with Slimer was changed to Coulier's "Hey Slimer Little Buddy" crap) AND by following in the footsteps of two towering talents: Bill Murray, who created the part, and Lorenzo Music, who very much made it his own. He did a little better with the part when given better material (ie a JMS episode or "Back In the Saddle") but ultimately, he just couldn't bring the charisma and natural ease Murray and Music had as Venkman. Both were very much being themselves--while Coulier was hired for the express purpose of being a Bill Murray Impersonator. It made a big difference.
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Post by The Joker on Apr 12, 2005 9:17:26 GMT -4
So, Fritz, how do you think Coulier's performance as Peter would be regarded by the fandom today if ABC hadn't messed with the show and RGB had gone on for, say, nine years (same as TMNT) instead of five?
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Post by Fritz on Apr 15, 2005 11:34:03 GMT -4
So, Fritz, how do you think Coulier's performance as Peter would be regarded by the fandom today if ABC hadn't messed with the show and RGB had gone on for, say, nine years (same as TMNT) instead of five? As I said, Coulier did better with better material...but I honestly think pretty much the only way he'd ever have been as highly regarded as Music is if Dave had been hired first and done the part all along--we'd only be comparing him to Murray and not Murray and Music.
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Post by Yami Mirai on Dec 14, 2005 14:19:42 GMT -4
I voted for the Junior Ghostbusters.
I've never seen Filmation's Ghostbusters so I have no opinion on them, I like Louis Tully in a "feel sorry for the pathetic guy" sort of way, and I don't really remember Professor Dweeb (although I do like Fritz's take on him).
The Junior Ghostbusters, however, I can't stand.
Why would ABC think that kids would identify with them? Kids had the Real Ghostbusters and Janine. They didn't need some lame brats in an otherwise awesome cartoon.
It would have been nice if one of the ghostbusters had just told them:
"Run along home kiddies. Leave this to the adults. We're professionals that actually know what we're talking about. "Now go away. You bother us. Shoo! Shoo!"
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Post by JECrazy on Jul 9, 2007 4:33:07 GMT -4
I had to vote for Louis Tully. I absolutely hate him! Obviously I hated him in GB2 but I also hate him because he has a whinny voice and is just so damn pointless. I don't dislike the Junior Ghostbusters that much, at least they were only in 2 eps, while Tully was in a lot more. As a kid I watched Filmation's GB before I saw RGB and then it was like bye bye and I switched to RGB. I've only watched a couple of eps of Filmation's recently to refresh my memory, but oh man is it bad! When they bust ghosts you just see the ghost's eyes floating back to their hideout and they're back in the following ep. Ghosts in RGB get put away for good, albiet a few that came back. RGB is more realistic, you know the characters have to do all the normal things that people have to do. They have relatively normal, everyday type interactions with each other and are just simply more interesting. The way they approach 'busting is more believable because it's scientifically based. Real life ghost investigators use equipment not all that different to what the RGBs use to detect ghosts. I hate how Filmation's have that OTT transformation sequence just so they can change clothes and put on their equipment. A Gorilla sidekick just doesn't compare to a drippy, smelly, voracious, little green ghost either. I like Dave Coulier. I loved him in Fullhouse. But as Peter he just sounded so awful at times. He lacked that soft and almost dopey voice Lorenzo had that made him so good. Dweeb is just simply a waste of screen time. I like the EGBs, not as much as the RGBs mind. But just the same I did get a real kick out of them. Garrett and Kylie were my faves.
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