The Junior Ghostbusters were examples of a fallacy that still had a grip over American animation producers: The viewers needed kids their own age to "identify with" when the truth is most kids found such characters annoying add-ins or became outright jealous of them. Let me put it this way in this case: The Ghostbusters had already had one blockbuster movie and one season which put them at the top of the Saturday Morning ratings pile without any kids to "identify with".
To top it off, the Junior Ghostbusters were never explained...it was just simply insulting and downright weak storytelling to have them come out of nowhere and somehow be so trusted by the Ghostbusters that, as an example, they have the little jerks one of their expensive PKE meters. Basically, I think a lot of the audience realized that the producers were trying too hard to make them like the JGBs, and backlashed accordingly.
Donny (with his new really creepy Mimi Tachikawa avatar lol) hits on one of the main ideas that drove me to this plot twist: To examine the relationship of the movies, the cartoons, and the hybrid universe we've been creating. That niether the movies nor the animation are as strong without the other--the movies miss a huge amount of backstory and complexity, the animation misses a more mature tone and sensability. They can stand on their own certainly--but they're a lot better by taking the best parts of both, discarding the worst parts of both, and making them work together.
As for GBI...well, a lot of the current leadership and membership of GBI run closer to the "movie purist" side, so they wouldn't have any problem in the GB2000 scenario, though some of the more fan fic based gys might be harder to fit in. In S!+EGB, on the other hand, like the cartoons there's no indication that there are any Ghostbusters other than Ghostbusters Inc. It's one of the ways the timestream is fractured.
I'm glad I'm getting some people thinking, though.
The Boogieman is Back could have been a great piece where Janine, with Slimer's help ventured into Boogie's realm to take the Ghostbusters their equipment back... it's dense and retarded that of all people, a bunch of kids would venture in... putting their own lives at risk in both episodes they appeared in... if they died because of their meddling then that would've been on the Ghostbusters' hands.
Dramatically, you're probably right. But I think they were trying to send out a message to kids. Some real children are scared of monsters (which are real to them), and they don't have any Ghostbusters or Janine to run in and save them. (I know it sounds lame, but it's kinda true, in some cases). That ep was kind of supposed to be a, Yes you can conquer your fears kinda thing.
I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, or the wrong thing to do. I'm just saying... nothing, really. But I really believe that was the thinking behind it.
Anyway. I feel I should make the effort to bring this back on-topic, so: putting the JGBs (how did I miss such a tremendous source of hatred??) into Gemini Rising need not be such a terrible idea. I mean, Fritz, it's not like this story isn't overflowing with things you hate. I'm not saying you did the wrong thing (you didn't), but, I don't know... maybe it's something to think about.
I'd be lying if I hadn't considered a GBUK tie in... although depending on the set of events it might only be a S.P.R.I.G. tie-in... much like the multi tie ins with the House of M universe.
However... it would be difficult to do an outside tie in with this and make it good, furthermore as cool as a story Gemini is proving... it's one of those event stories that really should have the central focus remain on the central characters.
The 'What If's are fun, like where'd Vincent Belmont be? Would the Ravisher still tear up that theatre in LA? Would the GBUKers stop the Holy Grail from being stolen?
But the what if is probably better then any story that could be written.
Of course, this is proving a great idea about the purist argument, in some ways an example of how the universe might work had one existed and not the other. I've been a staunch supporter, as are pretty much all of us here that you can't like one bit of Ghostbusters and totally ignore the other... it was that rather snobbish elitism that caused the first franchise wars and a few veiled comments on RGB elements in the comic.
But, not to turn this into a RGB Vs Movie debate, it's fun seeing what might've happened... I'm glad that the XGB writers had Venkman in his old persona... even if voiced by Coulier. It would've been mortifying if he was still stuck in his "Slimer, buddy!" phase.
June 13, 1999--Timeline Y//---error---error---error--- // Pollux and the Five Who Are One--the original Ghostbusters and Janine--confront Nodus. But it's not the Nodus they were expecting...instead, it's a redheaded man that Pollux finds unnervingly familiar. And if they defeat him, they will have to face the most unexpected group of enemies yet!
I'm glad that Pollux is just as confused about some of this as I am. I'm really interested to see how this all goes down. The way the plot keeps twisting, especially with the ages of certain people, I really don't know what will happen.
June 13, 1999--Timeline Y//---error---error---error--- //
Romulus and the Five Who Are One--the original Ghostbusters and Janine--confront Nodus. But it's not the Nodus they were expecting...instead, it's a blonde woman that Romulus finds unnervingly familiar. And if they defeat her, they will have to face the most unexpected group of enemies yet!
Post by Miss Janine on Aug 21, 2006 9:04:44 GMT -4
O..M..G! This is setting up to be one big battle royal, I can see it already. With certain parties apparently captured, and a whole bunch of timelines apparently coming together, this is easily the most convoluted story I've ever read! And I'm LOVING it!
See if you can guess which scene had me in hysterics...
Thanks to Yami Mirai for graciously letting me swipe her sig!
I finally got to meet Weird Al! Truly a classy guy- and he's really hot, too...
LMAO!!! I guess in writing alternate realities you can pretty much get away with anything... Darn trucks! lol
It goes without saying that I love this story and that I really want to know how this is going to go down. And that I have a lot of questions. But I know you'll answer them eventually. I'm jealous that you beta already knows what is going to happen.