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Post by Fritz on Jan 19, 2005 21:42:36 GMT -4
And here it is, the exciting conclusion we've waited, er, almost a year for. I guess in some ways it played out pretty much as I expected...but that isn't bad storytelling, that's just "Fritz, you read too many comic books and write stuff yourself to boot." It was appropriate that Ray be the one to actually stop Draverhaven--he was the one with the most emotional investment in him. And any ending that works without involving massive explosions gets extra credit in my book. (It's just that...massive explosions are so darn satisfying...) The fun was in the ride. Venkman continuously threatening to quit--that's so him (once more, I could practically hear Lorenzo Music and Maurice LaMarche on page 4) Glad to see Winston get to come up with an idea. so the traps can be operated wireless now? I don't think that would've worked as well in 1984, but it makes a lot of sense in a story set right now. Nice little advancement. The scene with Venkman and Louis outside Dana's apartment was great--it brought the tension between the two into the open perfectly. I don't know if I'll ever like Louis, but I can't help but feel a bit sorry for him--everywhere except GB2 and "The Return" he's an eternal loser at love. But maybe it's appropriate that in an issue that sees him as the star of the alternate cover, Egon really gets to stretch this issue. Just as in scenes in the first movie and numerous times in RGB, he takes charge of the situation with a cool head. The scene in ECTO-1 raises an interesting observation--we don't see Egon drive all that much. It may be weird for a circa-thirty year-old man to not drive, but it's not unheard of (I won't name any names, but there's someone I know in that situation). Another fine job by 88MPH. What? Okay, okay--the scene between Egon and Janine was perfect. See? I told you he was paying attention more than he let on  ;D |
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Post by ghostdiva on Jan 19, 2005 22:12:52 GMT -4
I had my copy early this morning but wanted to give Fritz the honor of opening this topic ;D The conclusion: I liked it, I didn't really expect them to go the route of injuring Draverhaven. It was a surprise. I would have liked to see another page of Ray given' out the punches though, because it is something new. Of course Venkman absolutely shined in this issue. His quips were totally on target, and the fact that we now see Venkman CAN be good at a relationship, it was really cute to give Dana the battery to his phone, for some guys, like Venkman, turning off the cell shows MAJOR commitment. (Okay I just realized that I am not calling Peter by his first name, that is very Janine-ish of me  ) I kind of felt bad for Louis, I mean he just has to stand there and know that Peter has his girl and that he will never be able to do anything about it. That sucks no matter who you are. I thought it was great that Egon can't drive, I don't drive either, so now we have something in common. Building a combustion engine at six eh? Maybe Egon is younger than 30, then if they are going the child prodigy route. Okay I love how Fritz added his Egon and Janine snippit to the end I didn't scroll down enough and thought that he hadn't mentioned it!! And I was like,"You mean he isn't going to say anything!!!!" But then he did and the world made since again  As to Janine asking Egon out,I have to admit I could tell that that is what was going to happen, I believe I think in very much the same way Janine does and she was just at that point. What I did not expect , and was very surprised to see, was that Egon didn't seem at all surprised that she was interested, and didn't hesitate to to set a date, he aslo had something specific in mind which suggests that he had been thinking about a date before then. Also totally in character for Janine to throw the book at him I would have done that too, he didn't seem to be surprised by that which I liked. So its off to the planetarium in issue two. Can't wait for more, more,more ghostdiva |
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Post by Fritz on Jan 20, 2005 11:47:23 GMT -4
That would be precedented--he was clearly such in the RGB/GBOT continuity, as he got his first degree at around age twelve (and would've been 26 in February 1984, the rough equivalent time "Legion" takes place in relation to GB1) Well, I have to surprise people once in a while... |
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Post by Kingpin on Jan 26, 2005 6:07:16 GMT -4
Well, I have to surprise people once in a while... Yeah, but that specific person isn't here.  |
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Post by Fritz on Jan 26, 2005 11:23:50 GMT -4
Yeah, but that specific person isn't here. No, but you may notice I essentially post the exact same comments on GBHQ. That specific person would see it there |
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Post by Silent Seraphim on Feb 18, 2005 14:57:35 GMT -4
This may be a little controversial, and a little late as well judging from the date of the last post on this thread; but I do have some issues with the 88mph version of Janine. Don't get me wrong - I love the story, and the characterisation is perfect; I love the colouring, and I love the way the other characters have been drawn. Janine is my one and only problem with the whole comic series.
I realise that this series is based off of the first movie, and Annie Potts' version of Janine didn't exactly dress to impress as she did in the cartoon series, but the difference here is that the first film was set in the 1980s. This comic series is set in the here and now, and I'd be hard-pressed to find someone today who dresses the way Janine does in the comic, even in an office environment. She dresses like a nun with those long, long skirts, knee-high socks, buttoned-up shirts and sweaters. In New York!?! The same place Sex and the City was set!
I'm not saying she should walk around in a tight t-shirt, or a mini skirt (although nothing is wrong with that whatsoever), but for goodness sakes give her a little sexuality, please! Obviously Dana's character is portrayed as having more style than Janine, but the way Dana was depicted demonstrates perfectly that a character can be attractive without being either a "slut", or as dull as dishwater. Janine's character is flawless, but I think that her dress sense and her hairstyle (when pinned back) is too prim and proper for a woman in the twenty-first century. Personally, the only time I think she looked anywhere near normal, was when she undid a few buttons, ruffled her hair and took off her glasses in the first ever issue. I don't really like the fact that in almost every scene she is in she looks like she's been sucking a load of lemons, either. I mean honestly, what is their obsession with that facial expression? Maybe it's just because Janine is my favourite supporting character, but in my opinion she just looks too severe, and too prudish.
Now, I know that one member of this fan community would have a fit if Janine showed any exposed flesh (although I did notice that Dana exposed much more flesh in the first and second issues than Janine did, and said member didn't have a problem with that), or demonstrated any sense of contemporary style, but I'd like to say that there are other people in this community who wouldn't have a heart attack at the sight of an attractively-drawn depiction of Janine Melnitz. Here's hoping that Janine will at least wear an attractive dress, her hair loose and maybe a pair of contact lenses on her first date with Egon in the second on-going issue.
And please god, let her smile, at least once.
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Post by ghostdiva on Feb 18, 2005 16:36:00 GMT -4
"I realise that this series is based off of the first movie, and Annie Potts' version of Janine didn't exactly dress to impress as she did in the cartoon series, but the difference here is that the first film was set in the 1980s. This comic series is set in the here and now, and I'd be hard-pressed to find someone today who dresses the way Janine does in the comic, even in an office environment. She dresses like a nun with those long, long skirts, knee-high socks, buttoned-up shirts and sweaters. In New York!?! The same place Sex and the City was set!" Okay, I have to say serveral things about this. I actually agree with you that I thought her dress was a little dull for Janine Melnitz. I think that the artist should spend a few hours online looking at some online clothing stores until he finds something more trendy. Having said that, I have to canfess that I have several of those clothes Janine was wearing in my own closet. I have the EXACT same outfit that she is wearing in the last issue, I even have those UGLY black shoes, I wear them with slacks though so they don't look as bad. So women at this day and age do wear those clothes. The long skirt thing...Janine is a petite woman and knee length skirts look longer on short legged women, she should shop the petite section is all, those clothes could use some help but they are appropriate for the office. "I don't really like the fact that in almost every scene she is in she looks like she's been sucking a load of lemons, either. I mean honestly, what is their obsession with that facial expression?" Okay I REALLY agree with this, that facial expression was REALLY getting on my nerves, she should be slightly more attractive than that, they should leave the facial expressions to Egon Bottom line they should just read this thread and fix the nitpicky stuff, and all the world will be right! Thanks for bringing this up. ghostdiva |
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Post by Silent Seraphim on Feb 18, 2005 17:25:46 GMT -4
I have the EXACT same outfit that she is wearing in the last issue, Oops. My bad.  I'm sure it looks great on you, but I'd love to see Janine wearing something different. A pair of high heels, or kitten heels maybe, or an open-neck short-sleeved shirt, and a slightly shorter skirt (mid-lower thigh length). All of these things are also appropriate office wear, but are a little more contemporary. There are tons more stylish clothes that she could wear in the office. Personally, I tend to wear a pair of smart trousers, a light blouse, and kitten heels. I rarely wear skirts at all. But it just looks to me as though 88mph are trying to cover her up as much as possible in every single issue, and for wont of a better word, I think she looks kind of dowdy. |
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Post by Fritz on Feb 18, 2005 17:56:14 GMT -4
Wow...that is a superb point. I honestly find myself going "Well, yeah, but the difference is that Dana never hits on Egon" A very interesting point....I mentioned after reading the first issue that she looked a little too reserved I think only the one Person Who Shall Not Be Named would be about the only one to protest. |
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Post by Silent Seraphim on Feb 19, 2005 9:08:21 GMT -4
(Of course, maybe there could be a silver lining to this new look in that maybe the Egon Fangirls won't find her so threatening...) And of course you were totally correct! Now, why doesn't that surprise me? Okay I REALLY agree with this, that facial expression was REALLY getting on my nerves, she should be slightly more attractive than that, they should leave the facial expressions to Egon I've just thought of a great drinking game for the comic - every time you see Janine doing a 'sucking lemons' face, down a shot. I guarantee you'll be flat on your face about halfway through issue two. ;D Seriously, though. If she does that facial expression one more time in this comic, I think I'm gonna scream. Or cry. Or possibly both, in that order. |
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Post by TheRazorsEdge on Feb 20, 2005 4:12:32 GMT -4
I dunno if maybe there's some sort of anomaly in the space-time continuum, where every copy of the first movie that I've seen is different from the 1984 Ghostbusters film everybody else has seen, but last I checked, Janine Melnitz isn't exactly what you'd call a sexual creature. She's a bookworm, a bit tomboyish, and her sense of style wouldn't exactly sync up with the modern fads (I dunno what inspired you to compare her to the characters in Sex in the City, that's a complete non-sequitur to me).
I think the 88MPH version of her is pretty close to the first film's version of the character. Fritz is probably right that she needs more "eccentriciy" in her mode of dress, like big earrings or something, but as far as the not showing skin, that seems appropraite to the GB1 version of the character to me.
I agree that they've gotta cut down on that "sucking lemons" face all the damn time, though.
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Post by Silent Seraphim on Feb 20, 2005 12:00:05 GMT -4
I dunno if maybe there's some sort of anomaly in the space-time continuum, where every copy of the first movie that I've seen is different from the 1984 Ghostbusters film everybody else has seen, but last I checked, Janine Melnitz isn't exactly what you'd call a sexual creature. She's a bookworm, a bit tomboyish, and her sense of style wouldn't exactly sync up with the modern fads (I dunno what inspired you to compare her to the characters in Sex in the City, that's a complete non-sequitur to me). I think the 88MPH version of her is pretty close to the first film's version of the character. Fritz is probably right that she needs more "eccentriciy" in her mode of dress, like big earrings or something, but as far as the not showing skin, that seems appropraite to the GB1 version of the character to me. Okay, like I said already, I know how she dressed in the first film. I know Annie Potts' version of Janine didn't dress to impress, but as I also said, this comic is set now, not in the 1980s. I also said that you can dress in a modern style without showing off too much flesh, or looking too frumpy, dull, or boring. She may not be a sexual creature, but in the first four issues of this comic, she is trying to attract the attention of her male colleague. When 88mph 'sexed' her up in the first issue (unbuttoning her top a little, letting her hair down, taking off her glasses), she looked better than she did at any other time in the whole mini-series. Not because she was trying to be sexy, but because she looked normal, and more relaxed. And I didn't compare her to the characters of Sex and the City. I said that the comic is set in New York, the same place as Sex and the City (a programme which has often been complemented on its use of style), implying that New York is generally more fashionable than the average city/town in America. I'm not quite sure where you get the idea that GB1 Janine is tomboyish, but I do agree that she's a bookworm. Even so, that doesn't necessarily mean she has to dress as a frump, and almost covered from the neck-down. Her character in GB1 wasn't boring or dowdy, so I don't know why she should dress in this comic as though she is. If this comic was set in the eighties, I wouldn't have a problem. But it isn't set in the eighties, and what was dull fashion-wise then is even worse now. To be honest, I don't think a pair of big earrings will do much to improve the way she looks. I agree with you that she shouldn't wear modern fads (some of the fashion 'must-haves' of the past few decades have been laughable), but what's wrong with a slightly shorter skirt to suit her size, a short-sleeved shirt that isn't buttoned up to her chin, and a pair of heels? It's nothing that drastically alters her character, or her image from the first film, but is slightly updated for today's tastes. I know she's not a style icon, and I know that the 88mph version is basically exactly the same as GB1's version, but if everything else in the comic is set up-to-date, why does Janine have to be stuck with the boring, dowdy eighties fashion sense?  |
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Post by ghostdiva on Feb 20, 2005 16:01:14 GMT -4
This is a fun topic. As I type this Ghostbusters is on TBS lol. But seriously silent seraphim, I agree that she could lose the shoes, and replace them with some heels, Janine wears heels in the movie, she changes into tennis shoes to go home, lots of office women do that, and they just keep the heels under their desks to put on when they get there. I also think that Janine's image would be 100 times better if they artist would stop scrunching her face up, and let her wear her hair down. I alslo understand why she puts it up though, because it gets in the way. But she is trying to get Egon's attention. I think the way she dresses is alright for a bookworm kinda girl, we all gotta stick together, I mean she probably just knows that she wears a size six goes into a department store during one of their sales and picks up clothes that she thinks she could wear to work. I would happen that she also may cover up more to keep Peter at bay, rather than get Egon's attention, I mean what she is wearing is the female equivalent to what Egon wears.
Now I have a question to ponder. In the preview for issue two, it says that Peter is going to be playing the role of Cyrano for E/J's date. The question is who is he playing on behalf of? I could easily see Janine getting nervous and begging Peter to help, even though she told him not to, because she doesn't want to mess the date up. It could also be Egon though. What do you think?
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Post by Silent Seraphim on Feb 20, 2005 16:41:49 GMT -4
I mean what she is wearing is the female equivalent to what Egon wears. That is it, exactly!!! The thing is, though, she isn't the female equivalent to Egon. She isn't stoic, reserved or shy, but she dresses as though she is. I'm not asking for her to walk around in just a bikini, or anything like that. I'm not even asking for her to be dressed as she is in the cartoon series. I just think that covering every inch of her in fabric doesn't really flatter her at all. It makes her look far too prudish, when she isn't like that. I mean, she even reads fashion magazines, so it's not as though she wouldn't know what is available out there! I agree that she would probably keep her hair back for work, although in my opinion her hair isn't long enough to get in the way, anyway. Maybe she would buy her work clothes cheaply, but as a secretary/receptionist, she should be smart and sophisticated, as she is the first person a customer sees to represent the company. I'm sure no-one wants to see Janine in a suit, but like I said before, a slightly shorter skirt, a short-sleeved open-necked shirt and some heels really wouldn't be out of character for her. I honestly don't think that would be enough to attract Venkman. If the 'fake boobs' didn't attract him, then I doubt anything she wore would, either. ;D Like I said, I had a feeling that this would be a controversial subject, and it's quite interesting to read everyone's views on the subject. Now I have a question to ponder. In the preview for issue two, it says that Peter is going to be playing the role of Cyrano for E/J's date. The question is who is he playing on behalf of? I could easily see Janine getting nervous and begging Peter to help, even though she told him not to, because she doesn't want to mess the date up. It could also be Egon though. What do you think? I think it's definitely on Egon's behalf. After all, he didn't pick up on any of Janine's earlier cues in the book, which kind of suggests that he's a little bit useless when it comes to women. He'll probably need all the help he can get. |
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Post by TheRazorsEdge on Feb 22, 2005 2:04:03 GMT -4
Dana still dresses the same for the most part, regardless of the 20 year time difference. So does Louis, and he's a millionaire now.
All I'm saying is styles haven't changed that much, and even if they had, Janine's wouldn't. Every person has their own individual tastes, and my feeling is that Janine's are too unique for any of us to attempt identifying with.
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I'm sure it looks great on you, but I'd love to see Janine wearing something different. A pair of high heels, or kitten heels maybe, or an open-neck short-sleeved shirt, and a slightly shorter skirt (mid-lower thigh length). All of these things are also appropriate office wear, but are a little more contemporary. There are tons more stylish clothes that she could wear in the office. Personally, I tend to wear a pair of smart trousers, a light blouse, and kitten heels. I rarely wear skirts at all. But it just looks to me as though 88mph are trying to cover her up as much as possible in every single issue, and for wont of a better word, I think she looks kind of dowdy.
