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Post by Miss Janine on Oct 8, 2005 4:14:47 GMT -4
I seem to remember, too, that her bio on the EGB site (not there now, darn it) said something about an engagement, too. Wish I'd printed it out.
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Post by Fritz on Oct 8, 2005 10:34:53 GMT -4
I don't remember it either. Somebody named "jackalman99" mentioned it on GBN right after I put out "Clinically Insane"
I keep meaning to rewatch all those tapes. I rewatched a few over the last year for research purposes, but not all: "Darkness At Noon" for "Dreams Reborn"; "Heart of Darkness" for "Nodus" (that's where Edward Kirillian's from), and "The Crawler" for...well, something that isn't out yet. I know I didn't hear something like that in those, or I would've noted it for just the reason above.
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Post by Miss Janine on Oct 8, 2005 14:01:59 GMT -4
Could have been something that was in the bio, but for some reason never made it into the show. Maybe it would have shown up if another season of EGB had been done.
(and "The Crawler" for...well, something that isn't out yet.)
Hmmmmmmm.........now what could Fritz be talking about? ;D
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Post by Kingpin on Oct 8, 2005 19:17:55 GMT -4
Either that or someone simply misproduced the bio, that kinda stuff does happen if the person in question hasn't bothered to see the entire series, or only watched a few episodes for 'flavour'.
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Post by Miss Janine on Oct 9, 2005 1:24:45 GMT -4
That's what I thought when I read it, since I never saw it anywhere else. Maybe part of her "missing years". I remember it saying it didn't work out, so one of 'em probably broke it off. *horrible thought* Maybe it WAS to Louis... *gag*
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Post by ghostdiva on Oct 10, 2005 19:11:58 GMT -4
Okay, I like those answers, probably was something they thought about doing at the beginning but it never panned out. That's cool. I would have really liked to have known were the writers of the show intended to go with the E/J stuff, in later seasons. To bad we don't know.
Also, changing topic, I was considering the December 1997 omnibus, and got to thinking, for a guy that isn't big on surprises/changes, the end of 97 had plenty of both for Egon.
Let's see: He gets older, has a mid-life crisis, makes up with his friends, gets vaporized, has his friends move to NY, proposes marriage, and turns to stone, all with a list of Christmas presents to go shopping for! Poor Egon. At least most of the events are happy.
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Post by ghostdiva on Oct 15, 2005 1:05:56 GMT -4
I'm diggin this up because I just thought of something. Silent Seraphim said: Where one is too flighty, the other could have grounded them. Where one is too closed, the other could open them up. Egon could teach Janine, could introduce her to opera, to classical music, and literature. Janine could teach Egon how to love, to feel, to socialise, to relax. Their differences could have been their strengths.
Okay I think for the most part they did do this. In rollerghoster, Janine drags him out into the world with her. So that would be how Janine gets him out of his box. Then in EGB "Where Eduardo takes his drivers test" Janine gets the idea to start a cookie company, kinda 'flighty' I guess and when it starts to get out of hand Egon grounds her. She was throwing a sales pitch on the phone instead taking down the man's ghost problem and Egon comes behind her while she's talking and says, "Janine, give me that." Very cute moment. Alright so I also want to open up this topic to how incredibly fast Egon becomes dependant on Janine in EGB (I've been waching my tapes as of late forgive me lol) In "The Sphinx", "The Crawler", "Fallout" and "Lilith (not sure if this is the name)" He is completely dependant on her. I mean come on, can those two be anymore together, if it was still a law they would have had a common law marriage. I especially liked "Fallout" they were acting just like a married couple. "Alright Janine enough already, isn't it time to go?" "I just have a few more things to show you...now I've premade all your dinners all you have to do is pop them in the microwave. They're clearly labelled breakfast, lunch--" " And dinner, yes, I can read." Classic. And then everything fell apart and he says "She's only been gone a few days, and already everything's falling apart." Which is well and good until Kylie points out, "Ugh, Egon. She's only been gone a few hours." That man needs his woman, I tell ya' and she knew it too, that's why she came back early. But then again when it comes to Egon, Janine's, "Usually very psychic." lol Okay I didn't mean for this post to be this long. ghostdiva
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Post by Miss Janine on Oct 15, 2005 5:05:10 GMT -4
Now I want EGB on DVD, too!
A really screwy thought: Maybe they WERE married, but it was never mentioned/shown. They's just structured their lives around the way they'd always lived. (I know, it's dumb. But I'm slighty under the influence of cold medicine right now.)
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Post by ghostdiva on Oct 15, 2005 13:43:25 GMT -4
Miss Janine You are not the only one that thinks that. lol In my universe(the apocraphyl one) that's exactly how things are. I might get around to writing some moreon that, but I like the omnibus right now. I think I have three storyy ideas to work on.
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Post by ghostdiva on Oct 18, 2005 1:17:04 GMT -4
Bringing this back up. Fritz said: may have said this before, but I still think a lot of it comes down to Ramis not really giving a sh*t about Janine. It's like they wanted to put in a completely different character, but put Annie Potts and Janine's name on it because they felt they "had" to put her in there because she was in the cartoon, so he just used her as an excuse to give Rick Moranis (his buddy) soemthing to do to justify being in the movie at all after the courtroom scene. Alright I think I have the answer to this. In the commentary for GB1 Harold briefly mentions an anticdote about his hair where he mentions getting married sometime very close to GBII. So what I think actually happened is that Harold's bride to be decided that she didn't want a woman pawing on her man either fictionalized or real, so she told him that he better not have a love interest in the film. So Harold changed things so as to avoid Janine and Egon together. If you'll notice Harold never plays a roll where he has a love interest once he gets married. Just a thought. ghostdiva
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Post by Fritz on Oct 19, 2005 9:50:01 GMT -4
Alright I think I have the answer to this. In the commentary for GB1 Harold briefly mentions an anticdote about his hair where he mentions getting married sometime very close to GBII. So what I think actually happened is that Harold's bride to be decided that she didn't want a woman pawing on her man either fictionalized or real, so she told him that he better not have a love interest in the film. So Harold changed things so as to avoid Janine and Egon together. If you'll notice Harold never plays a roll where he has a love interest once he gets married. Just a thought. ghostdiva Definitely an interesting though. It might fit the truth better than a lot of our "Harold Ramis went prematurely senile" theories. Think about it--we know the actors could exert influence over the cartoon (Murray got Lorenzo Music fired, after all) but if Ramis hated the Egon/Janine idea as much as he acted like he did later, why didn't he just tell the cartoon producers to stop doing it? Yet everybody since then except Sholly Fische kept them together. It might make some sense if Mrs. Ramis only protested the idea of Harold acting chummy with Annie Potts, but of course doesn't care a bit about a cartoon character who doesn't even look like Harold haivng a relationship. Just as a thought.
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Post by Miss Janine on Oct 19, 2005 16:01:22 GMT -4
A bit OT, but Fritz got me thinking...As I understand it, the likenesses of the actors could NOT be used for the cartoon, hence the new designs. I would assume that would include voice-alikes. So how the heck could Murray all of a sudden be able to have Mr. Music fired and replaced by a (not very good, IMHO) sound-alike voice? Did Annie Potts have a problem with the way Janine sounded?
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Post by Fritz on Oct 19, 2005 17:39:44 GMT -4
The story about Lorenzo and Murray comes from an interview on GBHQ: www.ghostbustershq.com/interviews/interviewmichael.phpThe changes to Janine had nothing to do with Annie Potts, it was all the ABC executives, as JMS put it on Proton Charging www.protoncharging.com/ghostbusters/articles/feature_rgb_jms.htmlThat is kind of ironic, though, if you think about it. In Season 1 Janine was the one who arguably sounded the most like her movie counterpart...so at the same time they're dumbing down Venkman with a bad impersonation of the movie actor, they also dumb down Janine with a voice that sounds nothing like the movie actress.
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Post by Yami Mirai on Dec 6, 2005 14:52:10 GMT -4
Ugh. I remember the first time I saw the 2nd Ghostbusters movie, after years of watching the cartoon. (This was before I was as adamant about the E/J pairing as I am now). When it got to the scene with Janine and Louis, even I could tell that it was wrong, and I was only about 8 or 9 at the time! I was just sitting there thinking "What the heck?!? Where did this come from?" I couldn't figure it out, because the 1st movie and the cartoon both show an obvious Egon and Janine romance, and then out of literally nowhere that popped up in the sequel. That one little scene nearly ruined the whole movie for me. I'm just glad that I first saw the movie before I became such a firm shipper. If I had seen for the first time recently, I probably would've thrown the remote at my tv. At least the cartoon writers had the sense to keep the right relationship going, rather than picking up and continuing that awful idea in the 2nd movie. Now, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Louis, I think he's an okay character. He just doesn't belong within 10 feet of Janine, that's all.
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Post by BlackMaria on Dec 6, 2005 16:23:28 GMT -4
Now, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Louis, I think he's an okay character. He just doesn't belong within 10 feet of Janine, that's all. I think he works best as a character when he doesn't a girl, any girl. This action would produce the most comical result. In the 1st film, he stalked Dana. I'm working on a novella in which Tully stalks Janine to humorous effect. In the 1st film, Janine represented a typical New Yorker. In the 2nd film, those traits had vanished.
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