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Post by The Joker on Aug 28, 2005 20:22:01 GMT -4
There's also The Brooklyn Triangle, where, in a beautiful shot, Egon and Janine are seen huddling together as the Firehouse gets pulled into the Land of Lost Objects. I love that shot, it looks like two lovers who realise their time together on Earth is almost up... www.realghostbusters.50megs.com/RGBgallery1.html (it's near the bottom) Oh, and there's another one, oh yes... A Ghost Grows in Brooklyn. What with Egon giving Janine a geranium and all.
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Post by Fritz on Aug 28, 2005 21:37:32 GMT -4
Cry Uncle I have mixed feelings on that one--I think, lord help me, I find some agreement with She Who Will Not Be Named that some of Janine's reactions were extremely overdone in this one.
The Brooklyn Triangle...Yeah, another good moment or two...she actually looked a little better with that haircut mussed up slightly. But why in the hell didn't they put her in a proton pack? And that pink outfit still makes me barf.
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Post by Silent Seraphim on Aug 29, 2005 8:11:50 GMT -4
I’m surprised no-one’s mentioned the E/J kiss in Egon’s Ghost. If it weren’t for Egon’s strange reaction afterward, I think it would probably be right up there with the some of the best.
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Post by Miss Janine on Aug 29, 2005 13:21:00 GMT -4
Now how the heck did I forget about that? She almost knocked him over when she grabbed him. ;D
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Post by ghostdiva on Aug 29, 2005 16:36:35 GMT -4
Now now Fritz, I think I can talk you through this. lol Why do you think that she was a little overdone in Cry Uncle. Personally this is the episode that stemed my thinking that there was more to their relationship than they were letting anyone know, which goes against you cannon I know, but seriously, I feel her reaction was perfectly normal for the shock of a person you love giving you a sorry dear john letter and bolting several states away with no warning. I think it was Egon who acting foolish not Janine. I mean who leaves a job they have ownership of, not to mention a close group of friends, in the middle of the night without letting anyone know in person. Okay I feel better now.
Cold Cash and Hot Water was another good one. I loved how Egon looked to Peter for help and Peter gave him the right answer. Reminds me of the scenario Seb threw at us with the teaser for the second ongoing issue, you know, the whole Cyrano thing.
You know another thing is, that we keep listing all of these things we found, as proof, and people can talk their way out of it all they want but I don't see where it can be argued about as a big picture. And speaking of pictures they really do say a thousand words. Just look up all of the pictures of Egon and Janine, and you'll see that they certainly didn't try to stay away from each other. You may argue that Janine just pushes herself on Egon but I think he's made more than enough effort than anyone gives him credit for, like in Citizen Ghost, Brooklyn Triangle, and Baby spookums (which should be on the list of reference eps.)
So I didn't really want this to be a "prove they belong together" thing but just a list of E/J moments in the show. But since the two cents were thrown in I thought I'd ante up, so to speak.
Also we have to do EGB eps too. Like fallout, he clearly realizes that her needs her in his life at that point, and he gladly hugs her at the end.
I would say the Crawler, but if there is any E/J ep I don't like ( if Fritz can have a least fav. so can I) Then I'd have to pick this one because it seems so out of place, for where they are in life. I mean you'ld think Janine wouldn't still be trying to do that sort of thing anymore. Also I felt like the only genuine Egon moment in there was a)the twinge of jealousy at meeting her date, and b) the point where he says "Janine, don't leave me" I felt like the rest of it was forced. I can be swayed on this so if you want feel free. ghostdiva
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Post by Fritz on Aug 29, 2005 20:25:58 GMT -4
On "Cry Uncle": yeah, I agree that Egon wasn't in high form there. He was stuck between the proverbial rock (his promise to Cyrus) and hard place (his friends and Janine). I guess there's enough "Egon" in me (I did test as the same personality type on GBHQ ) that I found the wailing she did just a little overboard Agreed on "The Crawler". It was cute, but at the same time emblematic of my major complaint in EGB--they mostly forgot about "Janine You've Changed" Admittedly, I think Kingpin and I elegantly sort of found some explainations for the whole thing. She loses a chunk of memory in As Dreams Fade and it sort of "resets" her to prior to "J,YC" She remembers everything years later and that's when she goes back to Egon ("Darkness At Noon") but he doesn't know she's remembered everything--he acts a little confused in "Crawler" because he just wasn't sure she still felt everything after all these years and the memory loss. By "Darkness At Noon" things are clearly back on track. She arranges a big birthday surprise and he's calling her to check on Thanksgiving dinner even as both Ghostbuster teams are battling the Bermuda Triangle monster (and, in the fan fics, it's right after this he finally pops the questions
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Post by Kingpin on Aug 30, 2005 8:47:55 GMT -4
In hindsight, bashing her with a car and making her lose her memory is probably a large page taken from Days of (nobody's!) our lives... all cliche and angsty and all... But what else would be big enough to explain: A) The fallen back relationship B) The other Ghostbusters quitting and leaving New York C) Why those crazy cats hadn't married, or done a long series of dating or something! Oh well, that's the problem with writing plotholes.
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Post by CJ on Aug 30, 2005 11:47:37 GMT -4
I just automatically assumed you fellows watched An Affair To Remember with Cary Grant and Debbie Kerr.
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Post by Fritz on Aug 31, 2005 19:30:46 GMT -4
Well, okay, here's the situation... Recently on GBHQ Proton Defender started a topic asking about your picks for Worst part of either movieAs part of my answer I interjected... The Usual Suspect didn't jump on that, and everything was fine and dandy for about three pages until Venkmanfan49 just had to ask... Proton Defender asnwered before I could... Here's my actual response... Granted, that we've covered a lot of such territory in this thread...but there's so much more I wanted to say... ---------------------------------------- You may not remember a thread a while back called What would you change in GB2? which ECTO-1 started...let's look at some of the responses... From Noodle/Dan The Man From g-dude From Captain Nate Though there was always the expected dissenting opinion... The producers of both cartoons (RGB and EGB) and the RGB comic hated that idea. It might have played a factor (albeit a small one) in Sebastien Clavet setting the 88MPH comic after GB1 instead of GB2. The only ones who kept the Louis thing was the iBook novel, and even they (intentionally or not) undermined it by having her ditch going to the mayoral debate with Louis to help Egon and Ray on the case. About the only people, as a rule, who think it was a better idea were Harold Ramis and the assorted Egon fanatics who somehow think this means they'd have a shot at him now (erm, hello? Fictional character? Does that phrase mean anything to you?) ---------------------------------------- Anyway, that's what I wanted to say, but held my tongue lest You Know Who make our lives miserable again. Comments?
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Post by CJ on Aug 31, 2005 21:01:09 GMT -4
Granted, about the only thing I liked about Janine was her physical transformation for the film. Like I've said, I'm a GB2 fan, but even I can see that the J/L pairing wasn't really meant to be. It's like cute Miranda from Sex and the City getting saddled with all of the dorky losers on the show (or the same, Louis-like one all the time). Janine's look in the film could have gone so well with her GB1 personality, but I guess it would have been veering too far into RGB territory. And I know it's been said, but you don't really feel anything for J/L like you do for E/J. And I don't like romance, but that's one pairing I've always loved (second to Nick and Nora Charles).
And Fritz, PD's comments and "opinions" have always been less than booboo. I'll leave it at that, cause I know that this isn't really the place to sling mud at people.
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Post by Silent Seraphim on Aug 31, 2005 21:08:32 GMT -4
It's no surprise that my opinion is much the same as both yours and CJ's. Personally, I really don’t know how anyone could come to the conclusion that Janine even liked Louis, let alone wanted to be in a relationship with him. They had minimal contact in GB1, and she didn’t express any interest in him. Then GB2 comes along, and after years of pining for Egon in GB1 and early RGB, she does a complete 180 and decides that she likes Louis. It doesn’t make sense. It seems as though it was a relationship created just for comic effect, which cheapens the character of Janine.
The only way they could make it work, was by changing her character (for the worse, I might add). It seems more than a little strange when ‘she who shan’t be named’ doesn’t like the RGB season 1 version of Janine because she acts too ‘slutty’, and yet she does seem to like the GB2 version of Janine, who ‘makes out’ with Louis on their first date, while they are supposed to be babysitting Oscar. It makes me think it's got less to do with how Janine is portrayed, but more to do with who Janine is interested in which bothers her.
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Post by ghostdiva on Aug 31, 2005 23:33:24 GMT -4
As soon as I fix some problems with it, I entend to post something that sheds some light to this and a few other situations. If I can just get all of my ducks in a row, so to speak.
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Post by Fritz on Sept 1, 2005 9:52:24 GMT -4
Good comments all.
I may have said this before, but I still think a lot of it comes down to Ramis not really giving a sh*t about Janine. It's like they wanted to put in a completely different character, but put Annie Potts and Janine's name on it because they felt they "had" to put her in there because she was in the cartoon, so he just used her as an excuse to give Rick Moranis (his buddy) soemthing to do to justify being in the movie at all after the courtroom scene. Because after that Louis is completely superfluous (and they had to graft on the lawyer idea to justify putting him in the thing at all).
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Post by CJ on Sept 1, 2005 10:06:57 GMT -4
Louis as their lawyer makes sense, as I can't think of any other way for him to be in the movie except in that one scene and in the montage. If they'd just relayed it to those two scenes, cut the L/J stuff out, maybe both characters would have spared the usually Casulties of Continuity Screw-Up syndrome (that befelled much loved icons Batman and Wyatt Earp)
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Post by ghostdiva on Oct 7, 2005 22:34:34 GMT -4
Alright, I have a question. I've been crusin' some of the older sites and I keep coming upon a reference that it says somewhere in Extreme GB that Janine admits to being engaged and then breaking it off. Can anyone tell me what ep this was and what exactly was said. I have all of the eps and I can't find it. Was it taken out in its second run? (That's when I taped them). ghostdiva
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