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Post by Kingpin on Aug 20, 2006 17:04:09 GMT -4
A moving piece... definately made by a true fan.
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Post by EGBFan on Mar 4, 2007 8:54:46 GMT -4
I never really latched onto the Egon/Janine romance, and I think I just figured out why: it's too original. I like classic set-ups. I recently picked up Danny and Sam of Danny Phantom (you may have noticed), who have this whole but-we're-such-close-friends thing going on; and Valerie has stepped into the middle of that, with the you're-my-mortal-enemy-but-I-don't-know-it bit. The dragons in the problem avatar a while back were just another spin on the old princess/servant story - and, of course, my favourite has got to be the love/hate relationship that's so common in cartoons (need I point out that Eduardo and Kylie fit into that one? - oh I just did). What has this to do with Egon and Janine? Not a lot - except to demonstrate how unusual they are. I want to get some of their relationship into the story I'm working on right now, but I kind of don't know how. Of course I'm aware that authors, most notably Fritz, have gone into some deep analytical stuff in stories - but to make things easy for myself I'm just going to ask some true fans, directly, right here: what do you think are the reasons they couldn't come together quickly and smoothly? NB: I will not take Louis Tully as a reason, and there's no need to point out that it was for dramatic effect because I figured that one out already.
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Post by Silent Seraphim on Mar 4, 2007 9:14:06 GMT -4
what do you think are the reasons they couldn't come together quickly and smoothly? In a word, I think it was Egon. Egon was the reason that they didn't have a relationship as quickly and smoothly as they could have. If he hadn't been so reticent about the whole thing, they'd have been dating by the end of GB1 - I'm sure of it. Actually, after mulling it over a little more, I've realised my initial comments were far too simplistic. The Egon/Janine situation is a bit more complicated than it just being purely Egon's fault. I think you have to look at it from each perspective. Egon's not really very experienced when it comes to the fairer sex, and Janine's strong advances tend to put him off somewhat. I think it's probably down to inexperience on his part, mixed with some confusion over his own feelings and an emotion he's never felt before - love. He's probably also somewhat put-off by the fact that the other guys tease them both about it, and seeing as he's quite a private man, he probably resents the fact that this relationship would be somewhat 'public' because they all work together. Added to the fact that he feels that they come from such different backgrounds that they'll have nothing in common, and from his perspective it's a bit of a treacherous road for him to take - a relationship with Janine is totally out of his comfort zone. Most of these things in the end don't turn out as bad as he imagined they would, but for a man who uses his mind more than his heart, to let his heart rule over his head is a difficult thing for him to do. The more he thinks about it, the more he comes to the conclusion that he just shouldn't go there for fear of things turning out badly. And then when you look at it from Janine's perspective, you see a woman desperately in love with a guy, but who is uncertain as to whether he feels the same about her. For those who have had some experience of unrequited love, it's easy to place blame on the side of the person who will not give any definite indication of how they feel about you. It gets even more confusing when they start to act a little interested - when they get a little jealous of your date, or when they are overly-concerned about you when you face certain danger. In those situations, you find yourself wondering why they don't just tell you how they feel - after all, it seems quite obvious to everyone except them that they like you. So, in a sort of desperate attempt to get them to notice you and tell you how they feel about you, you try whatever you can to get their attention and love. In Egon's case, it was probably the worst thing she could have done because he's not used to women acting in such a way. He then backs away, and she gets even more confused because one minute he seems to like her and then next he's retreating like a scared rabbit. It ends up going around in frustrating circles until someone, or an event, breaks that cycle - which in Egon and Janine's case came in the form of the Makeoveris Lotsabucks. I think Egon realised that he could almost lose his Janine forever. I think the combination of the fact that she was trying to change because she wanted his approval, and the fact that she was risking her life in the process, was enough to shock him into realising that whatever worries he had, he really needed to put them aside. Janine, at the end of the episode, realised that she was going to ridiculous lengths to try and attract a man who was already attracted to her, and probably would have come around of his own accord had she not been so obvious about it and inadvertently scared him off in the process. So really, you can't just heap the blame on one person - it's the combined efforts of the both of them which helped to keep them apart, and in the end, bring them both together.
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Post by EGBFan on Mar 6, 2007 8:41:10 GMT -4
Hmm... interesting. I may just want to slot a couple of these ideas into my story (it'd probably end up being just a couple of sentences - I only want to give them a mention). I think your original assertion was correct, when you look at the problem in its simplest terms: if Egon had just said, "Janine, let's get together" (can't you just hear it : , there'd have been no problem at all. But obviously there are particular reasons why it took him so long, and those reasons are kind of what I was getting at. You're right about the jokes and glib comments not helping things. Why do people do that? It's not blinking funny! Your well-meaning friends dropping hints like boulders that they've picked up on something actually, I should say, severely hinders the process of just getting on with it - especially if you're even slightly unsure about love and relationships, which Egon certainly is. Well, Seraphim has certainly gone into the issue in a great deal of detail - I suppose asking people to add to it would be a pretty tall order. But if you feel you can, please do.
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Post by Fritz on Mar 18, 2007 21:12:10 GMT -4
No no...I definitely appreciate the thoughts.
As all the regulars already know, I've been keyed onto this relationship pretty much from the first. I didn't really start considering Egon my favorite until the cartoon came out, but even before that I thought the GB1 scenes with Egon and Janine were neat. It was just something I didn't remember seeing before, somebody besides the smooth lead character getting a love interest.
I sometimes feel like I've written just about everything that could be said about them, but I enjoy being proven wrong: your insight about "The Boogeyman is Back" is a good one, and makes a lot of sense. I'd always placed the emphasis for Egon's emotional problems squarely on his stern, austere father and uncle, and the harsh, academic pressure cooker upbringing he had, but the emotional scars of the Boogeyman...I am just kicking myself for not making that connection sooner.
That doesn't negate the academic pressure--it adds an element of intensity to it. It's an extra emotional stress: fear of fear itself, compounding not being able to really talk about that fear because your family would think you were insane.
Thanks for those thoughts. Very very insightful.
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Post by EGBFan on Mar 19, 2007 12:36:05 GMT -4
Gosh, did I inspire all of this? I don't think anyone would take what you said, milareppa, to mean that the Bogeyman is the sole cause of whatever Egon's problems are - we all know that everyone is shaped by everything and everyone in their life. But anyway, yeah, some interesting ideas - and what's more, something that hasn't been said before. Now that I think about it, I was quite little when RGB was around (for a lot of it, anyway) - younger than you were, certainly. To be perfectly honest, I just used to watch it because my brother always got to decide what we watched after school (fortunately he had good taste). I guess my tender years could have something to do with why I never picked this particular pairing up - there's a time in your life, I think for most of us, when you're just interested in the Ghostbusting.
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JECrazy
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Post by JECrazy on Jul 6, 2007 14:58:14 GMT -4
Okay guys. Newbie here. Had to come to this thread first because Janine and Egon are my favourite couple, always have been, always will be. I was watching The Tonight Show with Jay Leno a couple of weeks ago and during the Headlines segment they showed us a picture of A Twinkie Wedding Cake. It didn't click with me at first 'cause I wasn't paying much attention. Then it hit me! A Twinkie Wedding Cake?! Ha! Ha! Ha! It's Janine and Egon's wedding cake! I mused outloud. LOL. ;D Now I know "Ghostbusters Forever" didn't depict a wedding cake, but I thought that that cake wouldv'e been perfct for them. Don't you agree?
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Post by Fritz on Jul 6, 2007 16:24:24 GMT -4
Okay guys. Newbie here. Had to come to this thread first because Janine and Egon are my favourite couple, always have been, always will be. I was watching The Tonight Show with Jay Leno a couple of weeks ago and during the Headlines segment they showed us a picture of A Twinkie Wedding Cake. It didn't click with me at first 'cause I wasn't paying much attention. Then it hit me! A Twinkie Wedding Cake?! Ha! Ha! Ha! It's Janine and Egon's wedding cake! I mused outloud. LOL. ;D Now I know "Ghostbusters Forever" didn't depict a wedding cake, but I thought that that cake wouldv'e been perfct for them. Don't you agree? Lol...sounds good to me. And welcome to the Ectozone. Sounds like you'll fit in perfectly here;
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Post by rbgforever on Jul 21, 2007 3:47:58 GMT -4
This thread is awesome!
I was young when I got into RG but not THAT young...I really started to love it when I was 12 - 13. I thoroughly enjoyed the animated series way more than the movies. I loved the history behind each 'ghost' and the sense of humour between the guys, and I especially loved the 'tension' between Egon & Janine...yes, even at that age I could sense it. I didn't watch the show for it but I definately kept my eye open for it. As a child I loved the 'new' Janine better because I thought she was more feminine (I was a girly girl) and I thought the old Janine was obnoxious and tacky but now as an adult I like the original Janine. I still hate her hairstyle and glasses but I love her spunk & attitude.
I never followed through with EGB but now that I know that it's way in the future and E & J haven't gotten together (and Egon hasn't stopped his emotional diversion crap) I'm not interested...
I hope that if GB 3 is being made that if they continue from where they left off that they continue the E & J side romance thing...it adds an interesting human dimension, and it had the sentimental, romantic side of me intrigued, along with all that RGB had to offer...And if it's in the future I want to see them hitched, twins and all!! I was HIGHLY disappointed in GB 2 as I was hoping for some interesting E & J dynamics and was downright and absolutely DISGUSTED with the whole Louis debacle. I really hope the writers peruse these websites and implement what the fans really want! I have yet to see Janine & Louis supporter! YET!
I love all the thoughts on here and milereppa, I love your psychological breakdown of E & J. For someone who wasn't into them, you sure picked up a lot! And SilentSerpahim...took the words right out of my mouth with your analysis!
And JECrazy, I read a fanfic of yours somewhere and it was awesome!
P.S. Fritz, loved loved loved your E & J wedding story, with all the flashbacks and stuff...another great wedding song that would suit them is "Far Away" by Nickelback...
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Post by Fritz on Jul 21, 2007 8:23:14 GMT -4
Welcome to our own little insane asylum, rgbforever. I hope you'll find it worth your time, and enjoy the stay.
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Post by EGBFan on Jul 21, 2007 12:35:32 GMT -4
Welcome indeed. (Sorry, it's not a long welcome, but nothing else is coming to mind - not even anything to say to your on-topic comments.)
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Post by rbgforever on Jul 21, 2007 13:11:20 GMT -4
Thanks!! There's not much to say since most people have said it all LOL! I do want to make mention of 2 possible E/J moments that I have not yet seen mentioned here:
* in "Doctor, Doctor" when Janine visits them in the hospital Egon wanted some gadget or something and thought Janine brought it and says "I knew I could count on you!" which shows that he sorta depends on her, and is close enough to her expect her to know what he would need...when she in fact brings in "chicken soup with mushrooms" (his favourite) that also shows that there is somewhat of a close relationship there (how the hell do you know someone's favourite soup) and he says "Thanks Janine, you're a real comfort" and she blushes (sorta cute)
*there's another scene but I can't place what show it's from, very minor, but Venkman disses Janine yet again and she 'tells on him' to Egon and says "Eeeeegon! You said the next time he insulted me you were gonna *insert technical jargon* to him!"...if anybody remember what episode this is in let me know (it's with an 'old' Janine and it's not a typical Janine heavy episode)...I think it's cute as it shows that Egon has at least told Janine he would 'defend her honour', if even in jest, to Peters teasing, and the fact that she 'reports' Venkman to Spengler, again shows the closeness of E & J's relationship, as it's much farther developed than what they reveal in the show (and naturally so, since it is about Ghostbusting after all)...
Anyways, that's that...I'm in Canada, and RGB is currently not in showing anywhere here, so if anybody from Ontario knows where/when they might play episodes again (I wish) let me know!!!
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Post by Fritz on Jul 21, 2007 13:29:30 GMT -4
That's actually from the classic "Ragnarok and Roll", if it's the one I'm thinking of. Early in the episode, she's putting stick pins into a map of the recent event sites, and complaining about how many times she's gotten stuck by the pins. Venkman makes some crack about getting her to a good vet or something like that... Janine: "Egon! You said you'd transplant his brain into a chicken the next time he makes fun of me!" Though of course most E/J fans remember this one more for the ending, which we've covered previously in this thread I'm sure.
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Post by JECrazy on Jul 24, 2007 8:34:41 GMT -4
I've always loved that part too. Janine: I hope you're satisfied Egon. Do you have any idea how many times I stuck my finger while putting in those silly stick pins? 12! Peter: Tough going Janine old girl. But don't worry as soon as we can we'll get you to a vet. Janine: Egon! You said you'd transplant his brain into a chicken next time he made fun of me! LOL! I can just see Peter, the chicken, running around now. Bok! Bok! Bok! ;D As for "Doctor, Doctor" Janine: How are they treating you Egon? Egon: Like a two-headed calf. Now I know how Slimer feels. I just wish they'd let me bring some of equipment in. Janine: It's against hospital policy, but I sneaked you in a few things. Egon: Janine! I knew I could trust you. You brought the spectrometer, right? The ecto-diffusitron? The plasmometer? Janine: Better! Chicken soup with mushrooms. You're favourite. Egon: Thanks Janine... You're... You're a real comfort. It's so funny! Yeah as if she'd go into the lab to get one his gadgets to smuggle into the hospital. Sheesh! I absolutely love Janine's original hair. Short and spunky. I used to try doing my own hair like hers. I've always been borderline tomboy and girlie-girl. I love jewelley and make-up, but I don't wear dresses or skirts much, preffering a shirt and shorts. I've always liked both girls and boys cartoons and dolls and action figures. And JECrazy, I read a fanfic of yours somewhere and it was awesome! Thanks for that, rgbforever. I really appreciate it. That was probably "The Lady in Red."
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Post by rbgforever on Aug 12, 2007 2:34:05 GMT -4
Two more minor E/J moments I noticed while watching the episodes the other day...they may not be much, but they definately qualify as a 'moment' or proof that it wasn't always one sided:
* in "Egon's Ghost" when Ray says he's made the contraption to get Egon back to normal Egon and Janine look at each other and exchange this cute little personal smile...anybody catch that? If you blink you miss it...
* in "X-Mas Marks the Spot" Egon grabs Janines hand to pull her into the firehouse to 'help him' ...which is not much but being Egon, the fact that he initiated contact...well, if he was 'scared' or 'intimidated' of Janine, he definately wouldn't have done that...
Anyways, just thought I'd add those to the repetoire!
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