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Post by TheRazorsEdge on May 22, 2006 3:29:35 GMT -4
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Egon's ponytail was a character-motivated design. Egon became a hermit between the end of RGB and the beginning of EGB, or have you all completely and totally forgotten that?
Licensing issues didn't stop Peter, Ray, and Winston from looking as close as possible + aging in Back in the Saddle, after all.
Whether or not he'd keep the ponytail once Peter, Ray, and Winston came back to the job is fan speculation, of course, but I believe an older, more mature Egon would've chosen a mature hairstyle that did not include a rat tail. RGB Egon's hair is pure 80's, folks. It's VH1 fodder.
I prefer the movie looks anyway, but when it comes to the cartoon designs, that's the way I feel about Egon.
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Post by EGBFan on May 22, 2006 11:17:20 GMT -4
Ok then, my tuppence-worth. Why not? I never liked Egon's RGB hairstyle, even before EGB happened. Some of you might have picked up that I'm kind of into ponytails on guys (not that Egon is any way attractive to me), so I kinda liked the new do... but I always thought the original was a bit rubbish anyway.
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Post by Cliff on Jun 1, 2006 0:39:56 GMT -4
The age old debate...
Personally, I've always had in mind a combination of both the movie and RGB versions of the characters. For example, when I was writing "Spectral War" (which will forever be unfinished), I stated that Egon's hair was a light brown, almost borderline blonde, or a dirty blonde, if you will. And, I have to agree that as time goes on, Egon's hair would become white (looking, of course, at both the cartoons and recent interviews/photos of Harold Ramis).
Peter...I imagine Peter would dye his hair to keep it his "natural" color. In fact, there could be instances where the others notice if the hair is lighter or darker than it was, espeically if the change happened overnight. I imagine him trying on a toupee, but only once, and then maybe going for hair plugs/restoration to subvert his thinning hair/baldness, which runs in the Venkman family (see Peter's uncle* Charlie on "Venkman's Ghost Catchers"). Perhaps he'd even go so far as to get botox or soemthing like that. (trying to remain the "face" of GBI?)
Ray....I've always seen an older Ray with a mustache, and dark reddish-brown hair (using his cameo in "Casper" as a refernece). I can't actually imagine Ray with a beard, but I suppose it's artist's choice, right?
And, aside from the mustache, I really don't see Winston aging badly at all. I've always thought that after GB closed, he went back into the military/black ops, still keeping fit all these years (and after meeting Ernie Hudson, the dude has kept himself fit). I'd imagine his hair going gray at the temples, but other than that, I don't see him as changing all that much.
The same with Janine. Even with all the in-canon things that have happened (EGB, the twins, etc), I really don't see her aging that much. Maybe a few lines on her face, but not that much. She actually kinda comes across as a bit "Desperate Housewives" to me: older, but still beautiful (not that I find her attractive). Kinda like Susan or Bree.
And that's my two cents.
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Post by Kingpin on Jun 1, 2006 6:27:02 GMT -4
older, but still beautiful (not that I find her attractive). Kinda like Susan or Bree. And that's my two cents. You talking about film or cartoon Janine? If it's film then have you seen Annie Potts recently? I'dalmost say she's more attractive now then 20 years ago.
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Post by Cliff on Jun 1, 2006 12:17:48 GMT -4
older, but still beautiful (not that I find her attractive). Kinda like Susan or Bree. And that's my two cents. You talking about film or cartoon Janine? If it's film then have you seen Annie Potts recently? I'dalmost say she's more attractive now then 20 years ago. I was referring to Annie Potts herself, which is why I brought up the "Desperate Housewives" comparison. I probably should have mentioned her show on lifetime, but she's been on "Law & Order" recently, and, yeah, she looked good. 'Course, about the only time I'm really attracted to her is her performance in Pretty in Pink, but I digress.
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Post by SuperStantzio on Jun 1, 2006 12:30:56 GMT -4
The age old debate... Personally, I've always had in mind a combination of both the movie and RGB versions of the characters. For example, when I was writing "Spectral War" (which will forever be unfinished), I stated that Egon's hair was a light brown, almost borderline blonde, or a dirty blonde, if you will. And, I have to agree that as time goes on, Egon's hair would become white (looking, of course, at both the cartoons and recent interviews/photos of Harold Ramis). Peter...I imagine Peter would dye his hair to keep it his "natural" color. In fact, there could be instances where the others notice if the hair is lighter or darker than it was, espeically if the change happened overnight. I imagine him trying on a toupee, but only once, and then maybe going for hair plugs/restoration to subvert his thinning hair/baldness, which runs in the Venkman family (see Peter's uncle* Charlie on "Venkman's Ghost Catchers"). Perhaps he'd even go so far as to get botox or soemthing like that. (trying to remain the "face" of GBI?) Ray....I've always seen an older Ray with a mustache, and dark reddish-brown hair (using his cameo in "Casper" as a refernece). I can't actually imagine Ray with a beard, but I suppose it's artist's choice, right? And, aside from the mustache, I really don't see Winston aging badly at all. I've always thought that after GB closed, he went back into the military/black ops, still keeping fit all these years (and after meeting Ernie Hudson, the dude has kept himself fit). I'd imagine his hair going gray at the temples, but other than that, I don't see him as changing all that much. The same with Janine. Even with all the in-canon things that have happened (EGB, the twins, etc), I really don't see her aging that much. Maybe a few lines on her face, but not that much. She actually kinda comes across as a bit "Desperate Housewives" to me: older, but still beautiful (not that I find her attractive). Kinda like Susan or Bree. And that's my two cents. Hey I also agree with you about Ray having a mustache. I used it my fics and it worked out pretty well. Because I know in a few years he would've grew facial hair. He had it since for a very long time in my stories.
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Post by BlackMaria on Jun 1, 2006 15:36:39 GMT -4
You talking about film or cartoon Janine? If it's film then have you seen Annie Potts recently? I'dalmost say she's more attractive now then 20 years ago. I was referring to Annie Potts herself, which is why I brought up the "Desperate Housewives" comparison. I probably should have mentioned her show on lifetime, but she's been on "Law & Order" recently, and, yeah, she looked good. 'Course, about the only time I'm really attracted to her is her performance in Pretty in Pink, but I digress. I last saw her on Joan of Arcadia, but a poster mentioned she been on Close to Home. As a future legal aide, I should be watching Law & Order. She looked good: still petite.
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Post by Mick Nielson on Jun 2, 2006 23:46:47 GMT -4
Was I the only one who wasnt a big fan of Egon's appearance in EGB. Now I assure you, my opinion here has nothing to do with my like/dislike of that show, I simply dont think that professor Spock (cough) I mean, Spengler.... Would have long hair in a pony tail. The hairdoo that Harold Ramis had crossed with the way his hair looks in RGB would be a good middleground to settle on. Add in the greying hair (maybe ALL grey) and we'd be golden.
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Post by EGBFan on Jun 3, 2006 7:39:17 GMT -4
I simply dont think that professor Spock (cough) I mean, Spengler.... Would have long hair in a pony tail. Hey, you're probably right. Unless it's like a mid-life crisis or something. I just prefer it to the RGB haircut because I thought the RGB haircut was a bit rubbish, as I said. And no, without mentioning any names, you're not the only one.
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Post by TheRazorsEdge on Jun 9, 2006 1:40:25 GMT -4
Again, he let his hair grow out because he had reached a point in his life where he was all alone and didn't care one iota about his appearance. And he tied it back to keep it out of his way during experiments and such.
That doesn't sound so illogical to me.
Illogical, that's the pompadour/rat tail. You'd let him get away with THAT after calling him Spock, but not a simple ponytail?
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Post by Kingpin on Jun 9, 2006 5:51:32 GMT -4
Again, he let his hair grow out because he had reached a point in his life where he was all alone and didn't care one iota about his appearance. And he tied it back to keep it out of his way during experiments and such. Well... actually that's a bit more of an assumption which partly uses fan conjecture... there's nothing official saying he did it because he no longer cared about his appearance or that he did it so he could keep it our of the way of his experiments. In fact, really the only thing that explains the change is changing the character design for age and copyright.
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Post by TheRazorsEdge on Jun 10, 2006 0:42:08 GMT -4
The copyright argument is ludicrous because in Back in the Saddle, Peter, Ray, and Winston still had the same hairstyles, save age differences.
Little differences are one thing, but there's simply no reason for them to make such a drastic change to his appearance unless it served the story.
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Post by Cliff on Jun 10, 2006 4:27:33 GMT -4
Illogical, that's the pompadour/rat tail. You'd let him get away with THAT after calling him Spock, but not a simple ponytail?.... The copyright argument is ludicrous because in Back in the Saddle, Peter, Ray, and Winston still had the same hairstyles, save age differences. Little differences are one thing, but there's simply no reason for them to make such a drastic change to his appearance unless it served the story. Dude, remember the commentary on the 1999 DVD? Ramis himself stated that Egon was supposed to be a "New-Wave Spock," not just "Spock." I imagine that the designers for RGB had taken that idea from the original script (as well as Ramis' statements) and ran with it. Remember, this was the 80s, after all. Just be glad they didn't leave Egon's hair the way it went in "Play Them Ragtime Boos." I totally agree with the "hermit" theory. It actually fits...to a point. There's an arguement to this somewhere, something about Egon teaching at Columbia University...but in my current state --kinda fuzzed-out on cold medication-- I can't seem to find it.
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Post by Kingpin on Jun 11, 2006 17:21:02 GMT -4
The copyright argument is ludicrous because in Back in the Saddle, Peter, Ray, and Winston still had the same hairstyles, save age differences. Little differences are one thing, but there's simply no reason for them to make such a drastic change to his appearance unless it served the story. Then why was Ecto-1's body so different from a 1959 Cadillac? Why was the only RGB version of Venkman's face blurred out? The RGBs appeared on the show because they were different designs from the RGB ones... and Winston's hair was different... The only things I can say for certain have remained unchanged in the two incarnations are the RGB equipment and the Firehouse exterior.
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Post by TheRazorsEdge on Jul 1, 2006 6:18:37 GMT -4
Like I said, yes, there were copyrights to consider, but Egon's change was SO radical compared to the other three that it couldn't be the primary reason for the new look. The ponytail HAD to be story driven.
To be honest, I'm a little baffled we're still having this argument because I'm referencing actual canon and you're just retorting with "nuh-uh, it was all the copyrights' fault!"
I feel like I'm the only one here who actually understands a concept as simple as "a man doesn't care about his appearance anymore, so he stops getting haircuts"!
Either way, I guess it's true that he's not a hermit anymore. Not since 1998. Janine would probably force him to get a haircut if nothing else..
But I really, REALLY don't think it's right to have him go right back to the 80's 'do. It feels like such a silly product of it's time.
Imagine if Kylie were to still wear black lipstick and a pound of mascara when she turns fifty, y'know what I'm saying?
I wish there were a compromise, but the only thing that comes to mind for me is sort of a mullet, and I doubt anybody wants to see that.
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